just a couple of months until the election.

You said: "First of all, Sacred Dignity, you're an idiot. Calling the host of the forum you are posting on a "psuedo intellectual" while you rant away is the epitome of hubris. I suppose you consider yourself a true dyed in the wool "intellectual" and everyone who disagrees with you is "psuedo?" You sir, are a douche."

quite naturally, moby is the victim in all this. he is given a free pass to characterize the gop as "dumb" while claiming a mononoply on intelligence for liberals everywhere. great argument.

Ranting away on this public forum has nothing to do with "hubris" but everything to do with discourse and dissent. If I have to explain this to you, perhaps you should stick to things you're better equipped at doing--making music which the world will never care about or making shameless, sordid films.

I may be a douche to you but I am not a sycophant or a phoney.

You said: " Ralph Nader is an egoist who spoiled the election for Al Gore by making it so close that W. stole the election with the partisan Supreme Court order to stop counting votes (in a democracy!). And we all know how that story ends... Bob Barr is a hypocrite who went after Clinton's blowjob full-force while secretly having an affair of his own (thank you, Larry Flynt)."

It's pretty clear that you enjoy taking one perceived negative aspect of a person or platform and making that the sole object of your attack. You're pretty courageous in axing down one straw man after another!

In any debate, one should consider the position or belief of the opposition as they understand it and offer a valid criticism and rebuttal from there.

Berating a person of virtue and character like Nader is pretty baseless and ignorant given the profound contributions he has made to our standard of living.

Barr's contention against Clinton was the crime of perjury.

You said: "By the way, you lose every argument immediately the instant you bring up the extreme of Hitler, and you can backpeddle all you want but once you throw that ridiculously out-there analogy you can't pussy out like you did and back away from this facile statement. Hey Sacred Chicken Little, Obama is no Hitler and McCain is no Stalin. Save the unwarranted hyperbole for the O'Reilly no-spin zone, asshole"

Says who?! Who decides on the ability or capacity to invoke former fascists and totalitarian socialists in a public forum? You?

Clearly, you've completely and recklessly missed the point of my position.

Using Ad Hominem tactics in lieu of intellectual investigation and questioning is the product of a lazy or uninformed mind.

You said: " However, I do agree that when less than one percent of the nation controls 75% of it's wealth, capitalism has begun to eat it's own trickle down feces. The U.S. has become like Old Rome, graft and greed have never been taken to such an extreme as the current war profiteers W. and Cheney running the show. The U.S. treasury was corporate raided by Haliburton. And the GOP knows that every election they can trot out their "Greatist Hits" compilation of Gay Marriage and abortion, they can swift-boat Obama with mistruths about his religion, background and beliefs and you know what? It works every time. The best thing the GOP has ever had going for it is that it's competition is the Democrats"

Exactly the point I was making. Neither Obama or McCain truly represent the average American. I wrote in an earlier post that both Candidates are mere Manchurian Puppets who act in concert with darker, nefarious elites who control everything from Investment Banks to the Media. They promote concepts such as "globalization" to consolidate their wealth and power. They "invent" global events to provoke a crisis just to instill fear in people.

Take a closer look into the activities of the Trilateral Commission, the Council on Foreign Relations, the Aspen Institute and the Bilderberg Group.

Creating class conflicts over ideologies, race and politics is exactly the form of tacts in disinformation the power-mongers intended each time a less than informed voter uses terms like "tax-raising socialists" or "bible-thumping fascists".

It's a diversion from reality. The reality is life sucks in the US because (using Occam's Razor here), the rich keeps getting richer and poor...even more destitute and desperate.

You said: "It's nice to see Moby, doing what he can to dispell some of the out and out lies and until reading umm...sacred dignity (cough cough) I would've thought that you, Moby, were sort of preaching to the choir as I assume all your fans are liberal but I guess I was wrong. As for myself, I have given up on the U.S. In it's current state it's not worth saving anymore. Every election you see the country cleary divided between the east coast and west coast vs. the fly-over states. Oil companies are allowed to make history making profits with no windfall taxes while we borrow ourselves into oblivion with communist China to pay for an unnecessary war and still our children have no free health care. We are NOT one country and I am through waiting for reason with gay hating, women hating Bible thumping redneck capitalist red state jerks"

If you sift through everything Moby has ever written about the GOP, I would accuse him of the same intellectual crime of ad hominem generalizations. He's not promoting truth nor does he have exclusive access to it. He's promoting an agenda that serves his beliefs without taking historical context and political reality into consideration. In other words, he's doing what most liberals openly abhor...he's pulling a Bill O'Reilly.

What you are espousing isn't liberalism but a form of socialism where our country will turn into a welfare state run by a vanguard of elites. If free healthcare is what you're after, perhaps the liberals should create a viable and workable solution that would not bankrupt our country or force the middle-class to burden the responsibilities.

And do you possess any metrics or reliable data which supports the popular belief that free healthcare is more efficient and competent that the free market variety of competition we have now? If so, can you explain the long-waiting lists and lines for something as mundane as a routine check-up in Canada and why more resourceful Canadians venturing south of the border for medical needs?

You can have the last word but I'm willing to wager a Vegan BLT at Teany's that your rebuttal will come in the form of generalizations, out-of-context objections, ad hominem caricatures and infantile rejoinders of "I can't save this country so I'm leaving it" (and you accuse me of "hubris"?).